Black Hole Pseudoscience?

Astrophysicists make me laugh.  They’re so impressionable, bless them.  "We were preparing for a long, systematic search with the hope of finding just one black hole, but bingo, we found one as soon as we started the search.”

Hmmm.  Now ain’t that odd?  Apparently, this black hole has been found inside a compact group of ancient stars known as a globular cluster.  And astronomers say the discovery is interesting because many doubted black holes could exist in such locations.

Even more bizarre when you consider this: black holes are a theoretical construct, a hypothesis; there is no direct evidence of one’s existence.

Of course, there’s nothing wrong with speculating.  But the recent BBC story ‘Black hole dines in ancient lair’ reports black holes as fact, which is surely misleading the non-scientific public.

Perhaps we should all read Martin Gardner’s ‘Science, Good, Bad and Bogus’, “today black holes are the fashionable playthings of ‘clever’ astrophysicists.  Tomorrow their models may collapse to take their place alongside Phlogiston and the epicycles of Ptolemy”.



16 comments


    Picard

    January 10, 2007

    Yes they should take leaf out of the SETI camp , wouldnt it be really boring if they discovered another Intelligent lifeform on there first go.

    Smock

    January 10, 2007

    I’m glad it’s not just me that does that…

    MX

    January 10, 2007

    Everything in science is a hypothesis, it’s just this the engine of scientific research.
    I think that acting like these “objects” were facts it’s simply for an “economy of speech”.

    Smoke

    January 10, 2007

    Mabey we can’t prove that black holes exist yet, but we can prove that there are hugely massive and dense objects that do exist that effect space-time around themselves to a point that it cannot be explained be the stuff that we can prove exists (suns and stuff).

    Mabey it’s not fact, but as queer as black hole theories are, they are the least queer of theories that are around that can explain these objects.

    By the way, comparing black hole theory to theories that existed before ‘science’ itself existed, when inquisition into the nature of the universe (at the time, this being our planet) was just beginning, isn’t a good idea. You’re comparing a massive world effort employing countless EXTREMELY HIGHLY EDUCATED individuals, the scientific method as well as all of those fancy tools that we have like thousands of years of Mathematical innovation and fine tunning, astronomical models, the idea of gravity, as well as nonrefundable laws of physics such as the conservation of momentum and energy, to theories created by individuals that existed in a time when the Earth was still flat. Not to belittle these individuals, we can thank them for everything we know… but the fact remains the same that this is just an obvious method of getting people on you’re side simply by using shock value. And either way, if it weren’t for Ptolemy, we would still have no idea what an atom was.

    Micheal

    January 10, 2007

    We may not know for sure that blackholes exist, but were 99.9% sure that those big ‘black’ things at the center of most galaxies (along with many other places) are stopping light from escaping…. but then, that wouldnt be a black hole, would it?

    Brian

    January 10, 2007

    If we’re 99.9% certain that those big black things at the center of most galaxies et al are stopping light from escaping; perhaps as a .1% paradigm, those big black things are actually preventing light from entering. I read that our universe is being pulled towards something massive which was referred to as a black hole. Is it possible that the universe has ceased expanding and is now contracting? We’re not being pulled any where; rather, the matter or mass might actually be moving towards us.

    Frodo

    January 10, 2007

    I agree with smoke. much of what your aguing has backing by proffessionals. Even if the idea was incorrect, then at least we tried to figure it out. And micheal is right as well, how those black hole-ish things may be just that.

    boobanoo

    January 10, 2007

    i think they’re pretty … so there LOL
    ok i realise all of you are pretty serious about this stuff
    but think of it like this if we are being pulled into a black hole (or pulling the black hole towards ourselves) are we gonna feel it when it happens are we gonna remember it? and does it really matter?
    unless there is a chance that some might survive going into a black whole, does it matter whether we being pulled or pulling and if they do exist-will any of you volunteer to be the first person into a black hole?
    you never know paradise might await you on the other side…
    if they do or don’t exist-the amazing thing is this – the human mind has the capacity to come up with something so complex that your average person fails to fathom it…

    James

    January 10, 2007

    Well i know no one knows how those things wat we call ( Black hole ) look like. But still its amazing how beautiful it is out there. Yea no one knows how it feels to get sucked in to a black hole but still woundt it be amazing to have a go at it even if your life depenz on it. It still would be great to go out there in space and see wats out there because its a beautiful place. I know i am abit too young to say all this but my mind is older than i am. I personaly think that a black hole looks like a tornado buth with two sides like this ( >< ). it sucks something in in one side and puts it in other side witch is placed some were elce in space so its actuarly like a portal. Well thats my theory of it.
    I mey be young but some times people have to make choices for wat they say or wat they do because the choice makes you. I am 14 years old but still i would go out there in to space and have a look wats out there if i die or not it would be still gratefull to be out there and see so meny beautiful things. You might think i am wierd you might think i am stupid or watever you think of me its your choice. But wat i think abaut life is that its great and i try to enjoy my life and bad things happen but thats part of your life wll our life and you got to move on and try fix those things and make sure that it wont happen again because if it does it might be even worse. Well thanks for reading this boring stuff. Your dear James.

    Lex Loeb

    January 10, 2007

    The latest photograph showing a plasma jet with a focal point is the most convincing evidence yet assuming the photo is not just an illustraion graphic. Unfortunately even for this mysterious phenomenon photographed the original blackhole thesis proposed that no light could escape the blackhole and there is no evidence of that in this photo since at the mysterious plasma jet focal point there is simply a lensing effect where the plasma seems to spit out on the opposite side of a point in original direction of the plasma jet with no apparent loss of what ever mass it has. The main problem I found in my research , see my new laws of physics / gravity research program , is that I proved tha photons cannot have mass because they do not impart any form of momentum, infact they impart the opposite of momentum which looks more like the opposite (implied gravity) When I see so called instances of so called gravity lensing in the nasa photos I just laugh knowing its really completely optical phenomonology. With all the hype of the new photo mentioned above what one might expect to see given the blackhole is some interference pattern or angular shift (due to fast rotation) of the plasma stream / beam and none of that is visible in the photo. I say the word for the photo is mysterious. I only have the radio wave image and no others to compare it to so I can say no more yet. My suspicion is super atomic core with a lot of condensed gravity at that point but not blackhole because that implies darkness because photos get absorbed and disappear into the gravitional pin point mass of the massive blackhole. The hour glass shaped focal point does indeed seem to radiate less energy but in the form of visible light or radio waves? I have seen similar effects with cathode ray tubes where no gravity core is present to cancel out the light or to absorb it so I am very skeptical about it being the classici light retaining blackhole. I believe the photo is from Chandra Levy Observatory.

    Bobby

    January 10, 2007

    Do Black holes expand??? if they did, wouldnt it eventualyl reach earthhhhhhhhhh

    reece

    January 10, 2007

    black holes are just broken down stars that have has there life and the black hole itself will collapse leaving nothing in its place just the rest of space and I don’t thing they do expand if they did we’ll be all dead by now.

    If heard that there is a super black hole in the centre of our galixie that is why we will be already be dead by now and how could a black hole be pulling our universe backwards the universe is the biggest thing scientists have discovered with in the human race unless there’s another universe containing us but the opposite say there world will end ours won’t and if ours end there’s won’t comon im 12 and i’ve got a thorie

    true story

    January 10, 2007

    A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even light, can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term “Black Hole” comes from the fact that, at a certain point, even electromagnetic radiation (e.g. visible light) is unable to break away from the attraction of these massive objects. This renders the hole’s interior invisible or, rather, black like the appearance of space itself.
    A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even light, can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term “Black Hole” comes from the fact that, at a certain point, even electromagnetic radiation (e.g. visible light) is unable to break away from the attraction of these massive objects. This renders the hole’s interior invisible or, rather, black like the appearance of space itself.
    Despite its interior being invisible, a black hole may reveal its presence through an interaction with matter that lies in orbit outside its event horizon. For example, a black hole may be perceived by tracking the movement of a group of stars that orbit its center. Alternatively, one may observe gas (from a nearby star, for instance) that has been drawn into the black hole. The gas spirals inward, heating up to very high temperatures and emitting large amounts of radiation. Such observations have resulted in the general scientific consensus that black holes do exist in our universe.
    A super massive black hole is a black hole with a mass of an order of magnitude between 105 and 1.8×1010 solar masses. Most, if not all galaxies, including the Milky Way, are believed to contain super massive black holes at their centers.
    Super massive black holes have properties which distinguish them from their relatively low-mass cousins.
    The average density is often lower than that of air, causing anyone traveling to, or into, a black hole, to, theoretically, not to fell the effects until they were far into the black hole.

    jet the scared hawk

    January 10, 2007

    SO SCAARY WOULDENT LIKE TO BE IN ONE

    Andrew

    January 10, 2007

    Wouldn’t it be good if our universe is in an extreme condition to look for a Black Hole to escape from something big forward us?

    it would be an hipotesis, but for some reason that is out there if it really exist.

    yo mum

    January 10, 2007

    Black Hole Pseudoscience?
    January 10th, 2007

    Astrophysicists make me laugh. They’re so impressionable, bless them. “We were preparing for a long, systematic search with the hope of finding just one black hole, but bingo, we found one as soon as we started the search.”

    Hmmm. Now ain’t that odd? Apparently, this black hole has been found inside a compact group of ancient stars known as a globular cluster. And astronomers say the discovery is interesting because many doubted black holes could exist in such locations.

    Even more bizarre when you consider this: black holes are a theoretical construct, a hypothesis; there is no direct evidence of one’s existence.

    Of course, there’s nothing wrong with speculating. But the recent BBC story ‘Black hole dines in ancient lair’ reports black holes as fact, which is surely misleading the non-scientific public.

    Perhaps we should all read Martin Gardner’s ‘Science, Good, Bad and Bogus’, “today black holes are the fashionable playthings of ‘clever’ astrophysicists. Tomorrow their models may collapse to take their place alongside Phlogiston and the epicycles of Ptolemy”.

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    13 Responses to “Black Hole Pseudoscience?”
    Picard Says:
    January 11th, 2007 at 12:18 PM Yes they should take leaf out of the SETI camp , wouldnt it be really boring if they discovered another Intelligent lifeform on there first go.
    Smock Says:
    January 11th, 2007 at 11:10 PM I’m glad it’s not just me that does that…
    MX Says:
    January 17th, 2007 at 11:49 PM Everything in science is a hypothesis, it’s just this the engine of scientific research. I think that acting like these “objects” were facts it’s simply for an “economy of speech”.
    Smoke Says:
    November 17th, 2007 at 05:11 PM
    Mabey we can’t prove that black holes exist yet, but we can prove that there are hugely massive and dense objects that do exist that effect space-time around themselves to a point that it cannot be explained be the stuff that we can prove exists (suns and stuff).

    Mabey it’s not fact, but as queer as black hole theories are, they are the least queer of theories that are around that can explain these objects.

    By the way, comparing black hole theory to theories that existed before ‘science’ itself existed, when inquisition into the nature of the universe (at the time, this being our planet) was just beginning, isn’t a good idea. You’re comparing a massive world effort employing countless EXTREMELY HIGHLY EDUCATED individuals, the scientific method as well as all of those fancy tools that we have like thousands of years of Mathematical innovation and fine tunning, astronomical models, the idea of gravity, as well as nonrefundable laws of physics such as the conservation of momentum and energy, to theories created by individuals that existed in a time when the Earth was still flat. Not to belittle these individuals, we can thank them for everything we know… but the fact remains the same that this is just an obvious method of getting people on you’re side simply by using shock value. And either way, if it weren’t for Ptolemy, we would still have no idea what an atom was.

    Micheal Says:
    December 29th, 2007 at 08:05 AM
    We may not know for sure that blackholes exist, but were 99.9% sure that those big ‘black’ things at the center of most galaxies (along with many other places) are stopping light from escaping…. but then, that wouldnt be a black hole, would it?

    Brian Says:
    January 10th, 2008 at 11:11 PM
    If we’re 99.9% certain that those big black things at the center of most galaxies et al are stopping light from escaping; perhaps as a .1% paradigm, those big black things are actually preventing light from entering. I read that our universe is being pulled towards something massive which was referred to as a black hole. Is it possible that the universe has ceased expanding and is now contracting? We’re not being pulled any where; rather, the matter or mass might actually be moving towards us.

    Frodo Says:
    January 18th, 2008 at 05:47 PM
    I agree with smoke. much of what your aguing has backing by proffessionals. Even if the idea was incorrect, then at least we tried to figure it out. And micheal is right as well, how those black hole-ish things may be just that.

    boobanoo Says:
    February 21st, 2008 at 02:16 PM
    i think they’re pretty … so there LOL ok i realise all of you are pretty serious about this stuff but think of it like this if we are being pulled into a black hole (or pulling the black hole towards ourselves) are we gonna feel it when it happens are we gonna remember it? and does it really matter? unless there is a chance that some might survive going into a black whole, does it matter whether we being pulled or pulling and if they do exist-will any of you volunteer to be the first person into a black hole? you never know paradise might await you on the other side… if they do or don’t exist-the amazing thing is this – the human mind has the capacity to come up with something so complex that your average person fails to fathom it…

    James Says:
    April 28th, 2008 at 07:44 PM
    Well i know no one knows how those things wat we call ( Black hole ) look like. But still its amazing how beautiful it is out there. Yea no one knows how it feels to get sucked in to a black hole but still woundt it be amazing to have a go at it even if your life depenz on it. It still would be great to go out there in space and see wats out there because its a beautiful place. I know i am abit too young to say all this but my mind is older than i am. I personaly think that a black hole looks like a tornado buth with two sides like this ( >< ). it sucks something in in one side and puts it in other side witch is placed some were elce in space so its actuarly like a portal. Well thats my theory of it. I mey be young but some times people have to make choices for wat they say or wat they do because the choice makes you. I am 14 years old but still i would go out there in to space and have a look wats out there if i die or not it would be still gratefull to be out there and see so meny beautiful things. You might think i am wierd you might think i am stupid or watever you think of me its your choice. But wat i think abaut life is that its great and i try to enjoy my life and bad things happen but thats part of your life wll our life and you got to move on and try fix those things and make sure that it wont happen again because if it does it might be even worse. Well thanks for reading this boring stuff. Your dear James.

    Lex Loeb Says:
    May 5th, 2008 at 06:08 AM
    The latest photograph showing a plasma jet with a focal point is the most convincing evidence yet assuming the photo is not just an illustraion graphic. Unfortunately even for this mysterious phenomenon photographed the original blackhole thesis proposed that no light could escape the blackhole and there is no evidence of that in this photo since at the mysterious plasma jet focal point there is simply a lensing effect where the plasma seems to spit out on the opposite side of a point in original direction of the plasma jet with no apparent loss of what ever mass it has. The main problem I found in my research , see my new laws of physics / gravity research program , is that I proved tha photons cannot have mass because they do not impart any form of momentum, infact they impart the opposite of momentum which looks more like the opposite (implied gravity) When I see so called instances of so called gravity lensing in the nasa photos I just laugh knowing its really completely optical phenomonology. With all the hype of the new photo mentioned above what one might expect to see given the blackhole is some interference pattern or angular shift (due to fast rotation) of the plasma stream / beam and none of that is visible in the photo. I say the word for the photo is mysterious. I only have the radio wave image and no others to compare it to so I can say no more yet. My suspicion is super atomic core with a lot of condensed gravity at that point but not blackhole because that implies darkness because photos get absorbed and disappear into the gravitional pin point mass of the massive blackhole. The hour glass shaped focal point does indeed seem to radiate less energy but in the form of visible light or radio waves? I have seen similar effects with cathode ray tubes where no gravity core is present to cancel out the light or to absorb it so I am very skeptical about it being the classici light retaining blackhole. I believe the photo is from Chandra Levy Observatory.

    Bobby Says:
    June 15th, 2008 at 01:23 PM
    Do Black holes expand??? if they did, wouldnt it eventualyl reach earthhhhhhhhhh

    reece Says:
    June 29th, 2008 at 12:27 PM
    black holes are just broken down stars that have has there life and the black hole itself will collapse leaving nothing in its place just the rest of space and I don’t thing they do expand if they did we’ll be all dead by now.

    If heard that there is a super black hole in the centre of our galixie that is why we will be already be dead by now and how could a black hole be pulling our universe backwards the universe is the biggest thing scientists have discovered with in the human race unless there’s another universe containing us but the opposite say there world will end ours won’t and if ours end there’s won’t comon im 12 and i’ve got a thorie

    true story Says:
    July 14th, 2008 at 11:17 AM
    A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even light, can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term “Black Hole” comes from the fact that, at a certain point, even electromagnetic radiation (e.g. visible light) is unable to break away from the attraction of these massive objects. This renders the hole’s interior invisible or, rather, black like the appearance of space itself. A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even light, can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term “Black Hole” comes from the fact that, at a certain point, even electromagnetic radiation (e.g. visible light) is unable to break away from the attraction of these massive objects. This renders the hole’s interior invisible or, rather, black like the appearance of space itself. Despite its interior being invisible, a black hole may reveal its presence through an interaction with matter that lies in orbit outside its event horizon. For example, a black hole may be perceived by tracking the movement of a group of stars that orbit its center. Alternatively, one may observe gas (from a nearby star, for instance) that has been drawn into the black hole. The gas spirals inward, heating up to very high temperatures and emitting large amounts of radiation. Such observations have resulted in the general scientific consensus that black holes do exist in our universe. A super massive black hole is a black hole with a mass of an order of magnitude between 105 and 1.8×1010 solar masses. Most, if not all galaxies, including the Milky Way, are believed to contain super massive black holes at their centers. Super massive black holes have properties which distinguish them from their relatively low-mass cousins. The average density is often lower than that of air, causing anyone traveling to, or into, a black hole, to, theoretically, not to fell the effects until they were far into the black hole.

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